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Mediatek or the lack of Mediatek

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Shock    36

I probably mentioned this before, but why is it that most of the high end Android makers seem to be neglecting Mediatek?

 

Even in their mid / low end range they rather equip Qualcomm SoC such as Snapdragon 400/200 (both Arm V7) rather than a Mediatek SoC such as the MT6582M?

 

Moto G, HTC Desire, Sony Xperia L, Galaxy Ace, One Mini etc etc could be a perfect candidate for Mediatek SoC.

 

Virtually no one except for Lenovo (and countless Chinese brands) seem to have opted for the Mediatek?

 

Bad reliability? Power efficiency issues? Qualcomm anti-competitive behavior? (subsidising the low end products when high end products are ordered?) Or scared to be associated with cheap Chinese phone makers who may use the Mediatek?

 

products such as the MT6595 looks really interesting and innovative. But except for Lenovo's Vibe X2 no one seem to be wanting it?

 

There is a rumor that the next Nexus 5 may use this SoC , which would really be an excellent endorsement.  (but rumors like this rarely turn out to be true)

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satsuma    178

Mediatek have been in Sony phones for a year, but they were not shipped here I believe.

I think Sony are shipping MTK handsets in Europe now/soon.

MTK also doing business with HTC.

Given Lenovo now owns Moto, I wouldn't be surprised if future Moto models incorporated MTK either. New Moto phones would have had work started on them probably before Lenovo finalised take over.

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Shock    36

It must surlery be cheaper to use Mediatek SoC on phones such as the HTC Desire, Sony Xperia L, Galaxy Ace, One Mini.. Especially as they don't have LTE.

 

It seems bizarre they have opted for low end Qualcomm.

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Milhouse    355

It could be down to the quality of driver software, documentation, and associated support issues. Other Chinese SoCs (Allwinner, Rockchip etc.) have historically had really poor driver support. This will no doubt improve over time, and MediaTek should in theory be one of the better ones, but it's probably going to take a little longer before major vendors have the same level of confidence in the abilities of MediaTek that they do with Qualcomm.

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satsuma    178

It could be down to the quality of driver software, documentation, and associated support issues. Other Chinese SoCs (Allwinner, Rockchip etc.) have historically had really poor driver support. This will no doubt improve over time, and MediaTek should in theory be one of the better ones, but it's probably going to take a little longer before major vendors have the same level of confidence in the abilities of MediaTek that they do with Qualcomm.

 

 

Exactly what he said  :)

 

Qualcomm have a rich history and excellent relationships with other component manufacturers in terms of drivers.

Also they have the exisiting relationships with OEM engineers and know exactly how to support them.

 

Support from a Chinese/Taiwanese organisation is not always as comprehensive across the life the project.

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Milhouse    355

MediaTek is now a $23 Billion business.

Sales in 2011: 10m units.

Sales in 2014: 350m units

Incredible growth, with 70-80% of sales into emerging markets, particularly China. Sales have increased by at least 40% *every* month of this year, and with Android One being MTK based and about to go on sale in India the growth seems likely to continue.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/16/us-mediatek-mobilephone-idUSKCN0J00Z620141116

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Shock    36

I always thought Google wanted to give Mediatek a hand with the whole Android one approach.. Good move as we desperately need more competition..

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hecatae    9

Mediatek had a stand at XDA Dev Con 2014, they were very interesting to speak to.

 

The most interesting part was their openness to open-sourcing as much as possible that they use that is not proprietary.

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Shock    36

Hopefully.. We are nearing a day where we have good competition at top end mobile SoC. But a recent article on Exynos vs Snapdragon by Anandtech didn't paint such a rosy picture.

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normal    345

It's all unproven raw numbers at this stage. We'll have to see what it's like in the real world/ in a real device.... Saying that, Meditek do seem to be on a bit of a roll...

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Milhouse    355

But a recent article on Exynos vs Snapdragon by Anandtech didn't paint such a rosy picture.

If you mean this article, there wasn't a great deal of difference between the Snapdragon 810 and Exynos 5433 (both A-57/A-53 octa-cores) in terms of FPU and integer performance (unsurprising, as the clock speeds are very similar), despite the Snapdragon using AArch64 (answering my question/confirming normals reply above) while the Exynos 5433 used AArch32.The Snapdragon bested the Exynos 5433 in terms of memory bandwdith, however the Exynos 7420 will use the same LPDDR4 memory as the 810 so any advantage there will be pretty much eliminated.The Exynos 7420 will also clocked higher (A57s@2.1GHz) than the 810 (A57s@1.95GHz), so should also take the lead in terms of FPU and integer performance. I just hope it doesn't overheat....

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satsuma    178

As Samsung continues to see difficulty in its handset business, they will become more aggressive with their chip business.

The S6 is probably just the start.

If they can persuade others to use Samsung instead of QC then things will get interesting as MTK continues to bite hard in the low->mid tier.

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Shock    36

If you mean this article, there wasn't a great deal of difference between the Snapdragon 810 and Exynos 5433 (both A-57/A-53 octa-cores) in terms of FPU and integer performance (unsurprising, as the clock speeds are very similar), despite the Snapdragon using AArch64 (answering my question/confirming normals reply above) while the Exynos 5433 used AArch32.The Snapdragon bested the Exynos 5433 in terms of memory bandwdith, however the Exynos 7420 will use the same LPDDR4 memory as the 810 so any advantage there will be pretty much eliminated.The Exynos 7420 will also clocked higher (A57s@2.1GHz) than the 810 (A57s@1.95GHz), so should also take the lead in terms of FPU and integer performance. I just hope it doesn't overheat....

 

Yes.. perticularly it was this bit of the summing up..

 

 

[http://anandtech.com}...... in the past few months it’s become clear that Qualcomm has been leveraging their strengths to ensure that they remain a strong choice for SoCs this year. Although the GPU and memory subsystem appear to be a bit weak, overall 2015 remains promising for Android flagships, even if an OEM can’t design their own SoC.

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